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Old 21st August 2004, 12:06 AM
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Well, if you think he just totally, innocently missed my point, then what does that say about him? I wonder which is worse, being called a manipulative liar or being called totally clueless? I have a difficult time believing that he is that clueless, and I suppose in some strange, indirect way, I am actually complimenting him or giving him more credit than apparently you are giving him. It's just a fallback position on his part to now suggest he just misunderstood and thought I was talking about my own personal early years. That's bunk. Nobody could have possibly interpreted my statement as to suggest that I was talking about myself. So he even managed to fool you, which surprises me. This is what he frequently does. If he gets in a tough spot, he tries to confuse the issue, dilute the issue with other things, and any other tactic that he can manage to pull out of his arss. He's very good at taqiyyah and kitman whether he knows that or not. If it wasn't just a fallback position, he would have mentioned that he misunderstood much earlier than he did.
I honestly thought you were talking about yourself. Read the response I gave. I was appauled to hear what you said, which I thought was about yourself. I don't fool around like you.. I think straight.. and think TRUTH.. I don't think about mocking or making jokes and fun.. unless I make them REALLY obvious.
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[size=14px]Every soul will be (held) in pledge for its deeds. Except the Companions of the Right Hand. (They will be) in Gardens (of Delight): they will question each other, And (ask) of the Sinners: "What led you into Hell Fire?" They will say: "We were not of those who prayed; "Nor were we of those who fed the indigent; "But we used to talk vanities with vain talkers; "And we used to deny the Day of Judgment, "Until there came to us (the Hour) that is certain." [Al-Qur'an 74:38-47][/size]
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Old 21st August 2004, 06:24 AM
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Well, if you think he just totally, innocently missed my point, then what does that say about him? I wonder which is worse, being called a manipulative liar or being called totally clueless? I have a difficult time believing that he is that clueless, and I suppose in some strange, indirect way, I am actually complimenting him or giving him more credit than apparently you are giving him. It's just a fallback position on his part to now suggest he just misunderstood and thought I was talking about my own personal early years. That's bunk. Nobody could have possibly interpreted my statement as to suggest that I was talking about myself. So he even managed to fool you, which surprises me. This is what he frequently does. If he gets in a tough spot, he tries to confuse the issue, dilute the issue with other things, and any other tactic that he can manage to pull out of his arss. He's very good at taqiyyah and kitman whether he knows that or not. If it wasn't just a fallback position, he would have mentioned that he misunderstood much earlier than he did.
I honestly thought you were talking about yourself. Read the response I gave. I was appauled to hear what you said, which I thought was about yourself. I don't fool around like you.. I think straight.. and think TRUTH.. I don't think about mocking or making jokes and fun.. unless I make them REALLY obvious.
So you are honestly that clueless to where you just simply misinterpreted what I said about virgins being desirable back then? And you actually thought that I was talking about myself, in my present day past, even though, if you read the context surrounding what was being talked about (ancient laws) and take into account that I never mentioned myself?? I can't see how anybody in their right mind could have interpreted it this way. So either you are still trying to manipulate, or create a way to save face, or you are completely clueless. Which do you choose?
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Old 21st August 2004, 06:33 AM
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So you are honestly that clueless to where you just simply misinterpreted what I said about virgins being desirable back then? And you actually thought that I was talking about myself, in my present day past, even though, if you read the context surrounding what was being talked about (ancient laws) and take into account that I never mentioned myself?? I can't see how anybody in their right mind could have interpreted it this way. So either you are still trying to manipulate, or create a way to save face, or you are completely clueless. Which do you choose?
Everyone is not a mind reader. You spoke in first person and not referring to any people:

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Having a woman be a virgin has underlying implications. Sex with virgins was always the most desirable sex back then. If sex wasn't an issue, then virgin wouldn't even have been brought up. So I disagree, although that was a good attempt.
You clearly gave the impression that it was you who enjoyed "virgin sex" and "back then" too. So don't blame me and get over it.

Yes I was completely clueless.

So now get over it and stop whining. You have made yourself clear. next time, do a better job with your grammer and way of writing things. Not everyone is bright as you who can read people's minds.
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[size=14px]Every soul will be (held) in pledge for its deeds. Except the Companions of the Right Hand. (They will be) in Gardens (of Delight): they will question each other, And (ask) of the Sinners: "What led you into Hell Fire?" They will say: "We were not of those who prayed; "Nor were we of those who fed the indigent; "But we used to talk vanities with vain talkers; "And we used to deny the Day of Judgment, "Until there came to us (the Hour) that is certain." [Al-Qur'an 74:38-47][/size]
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Old 21st August 2004, 07:20 AM
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So you are honestly that clueless to where you just simply misinterpreted what I said about virgins being desirable back then? And you actually thought that I was talking about myself, in my present day past, even though, if you read the context surrounding what was being talked about (ancient laws) and take into account that I never mentioned myself?? I can't see how anybody in their right mind could have interpreted it this way. So either you are still trying to manipulate, or create a way to save face, or you are completely clueless. Which do you choose?
Everyone is not a mind reader. You spoke in first person and not referring to any people:
Here's the quote. Tell me why you think I was speaking in the first person?

"Having a woman be a virgin has underlying implications. Sex with virgins was always the most desirable sex back then. If sex wasn't an issue, then virgin wouldn't even have been brought up. So I disagree, although that was a good attempt."

So do you mean that I was speaking in the first person because I said "so I disagree"? :lol: :lol: :lol: . Ridiculous !!! And you just displayed the fact that you aren't that clueless by mentioning the fact that you understand the difference between the first, second and third persons. You're not clueless at all !!! Just like I suspected. You're just clueless about how to properly misrepresent things. And I'll give you credit, because you managed to actually fool some otherwise intelligent people here who are willing to be fooled because they want peace so badly. On this forum, but in a larger sense, in this world.

You are stupid about some things, but obviously you are quite clever and creative about other things. I know you. So "Doctor No" actually underestimated you, but I didn't. I see it and I always have, and not just about you, but about the general cloaking of Islam being nothing but a harmless, peaceful religion of tolerance. I see it and I know it. And again, I will give you the credit and compliment of admitting it as I have given you this credit in the past, as opposed to the Muslims that are conniving enough to hide it until the right time. You're right about that. You don't hide your views, you just try to manipulate the little things behind them.

But, indeed, I'll say it again, you have courage, although perhaps it might be misguided (according to the strategy of Islam). I'm going to try to write a "peace" thread, but that's alot to explain, so maybe I can write now, maybe not, maybe later. Either way, understand one thing about me. I NEVER hate the person nor do I ever dislike them. If you were down and out, I would be the first person to help you out. You are a human being, a miracle ( I just wish people could see each other that way).

What I insulted is not "you" (even though I say that), I insult your ideas and words. You, as a human being? No. I wouldn't insult a brand new Mazzreratti, so why would I insult something even more incredible, like a human being? I insult the ideas that you have been injected with. I could never insult a human being, themselves, and wish for them to go away (unless they wanted ME to go away, but I'm still not so sure about that as well, maybe I would just try to defend myself, maybe not).
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Old 21st August 2004, 07:34 AM
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I'll let the crickets take over.

Chirp... Chirp.... Chirp... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Old 21st August 2004, 08:54 AM
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I'll let the crickets take over.

Chirp... Chirp.... Chirp... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, it's nice to see that you are starting to copy some of the things I said much earlier, like "crickets chirping". So for as much as you might not have liked that earlier when I said that after you didn't answer things I said, you decide to pick it up and use it. Tells me that you are capable of absorbing things. Good. That's a start. You are actually learning something here, from a supposed infidel.
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Old 21st August 2004, 09:14 AM
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Well, it's nice to see that you are starting to copy some of the things I said much earlier, like "crickets chirping". So for as much as you might not have liked that earlier when I said that after you didn't answer things I said, you decide to pick it up and use it. Tells me that you are capable of absorbing things. Good. That's a start. You are actually learning something here, from a supposed infidel.
I am doing it intentionally to annoy you.. would I give a damn about crickets?? :lol:
You used to (or tried to) annoy me by saying crickets are chirping, and now I am getting back at you to give you the taste of you own medicine and see how you feel.

Well in this case, it was a joke.. cos I didn't want to reply to what you said cos it would never have ended.. so I thought I'd take the honour of ending it with crickets chirping.. something that you like.

And yes.. nothing wrong with learning a few mischievous and cunning tricks from my infidel friend!!! :lol:

Life is a long learning process.. we learn new things everyday. No one is expected or supposed to know everything when they are born.

However, the knoweldge about the world is not what is important, the important is the knowledge of the hereafter, and what we need to do in order to have a safe place in the hereafter. Therefore, knowledge of God and His words and commandments is the most important thing in life.
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