Persecutors and critics

[DoctorMaybe]

There are many infidels in this forum who bring their problems over here and respectfully share it with the believers. Though they are annoying, they have taken time to consult us and NOT GO PUBLIC. Then, there are the persecutors. For example, a pagan idiot who comes here with different usernames. Other pagan persecutors include, Shamoun, Daniel Pipes, Robert Morey, Christian Prince, Ali Sina.

Allah has told us to fight and kill those who persecute us. Clearly, those infidels are persecuting us with their literature(just like the few Arab poets during the time of the beloved Prophet). Why don't the "Western Muslims" take these pagans out?

I, personally, would like to see Ali sina, Sam Shamoun and Robert Morey beheaded.

Don't you?

[bushbadee]

If you live in Britian that post could get you booted out.
If you live in the US, it soon will be able to get you booted out.

If you live in some arab Muslim country, you are already in Hell and there is not much that can be done to you.

[Light-of-Mustafa]

Originally Posted by bushbadee

If you live in Britian that post could get you booted out.
If you live in the US, it soon will be able to get you booted out.

See.. I am not sure if making statements like that on forums or even to a person face to face in public would get someone prosecuted. I am really interested in finding out what would really happen.

If you live in some arab Muslim country, you are already in Hell and there is not much that can be done to you.

You must be a satan then, trying to invite people to YOUR paradise and stop people from going to YOUR hell. In reality, your paradise is the hellfire and your hell is the paradise.

[bushbadee]

As soon as the laws are passed and they will be passed

Allah has told us to fight and kill those who persecute us. Clearly, those infidels are persecuting us with their literature

This is a clear call to call people wo do not agree with Islam.
As to who the infidels are, that is an open question.

I, personally, would like to see Ali sina, Sam Shamoun and Robert Morey beheaded

This is a clear call, or so the courts have found, to murder some one.

These statements in Britian could get you in trouble.

In the US, they would certainly bring the attention of the authorities on you and you would be watched and investigated.

[Kamenrider Agito]

Allah has told us to fight and kill those who persecute us. Clearly, those infidels are persecuting us with their literature(just like the few Arab poets during the time of the beloved Prophet). Why don't the "Western Muslims" take these pagans out?

you need to have an imam to teach you how to understands the Quran...

why the need to kill?

if you think that Allah need your help to kill them...than you think that Allah is weak??

NOO...

You get the meaning wrong...

to fight only when people fight you without justified reason...

to kill only when your relatives are being killed...(but if you forgive them, that will be the best deeds you ever done)

I must say that you dont really believe Allah very much...you believe in yourself and what your lust told you...

did Muhammad SAW tells his ummah that he wanted the kaffirs to be beheaded without reason??

[Kamenrider Agito]

Clearly, those infidels are persecuting us with their literature(just like the few Arab poets during the time of the beloved Prophet).

he he he...

I watched the Twilight Zone (if that can be considered as pagan literature) and I wish that Rod Serling was a Muslim...

you should watch it and analyze how he made a story out of human needs, darkest lust for worldly desires that lead them to the outer skirts of the twilight zone...

and how braveness, kindness and selfless devotion to humanity leads them out of the twilight zone...

you should watch it...

[DoctorMaybe]

Salam Alaikum

Ouch! That's a harsh reply you gave me there.

First of all, I don't need an imam to teach me the Quran.

Second, I firmly stand by the post I made earlier. These infidels collide with apostates to publish anti-islamic literature to stir up prejudice among non-muslims. People like Salman Rushdie, Eyaan Hirsi Ali, Tariq Ali, etc. are renegades who are spreading mischief with their works. Allah has told us to kill apostates ONLY if they spread mischief. Yet, they are living among Muslims today, in the West. For the others, they don't want to engage in debate at all. For instance, Sam Shamoun will come up with more and more with idiotic drivel about Islam even if you debunk his claims. Clearly, this is mental persecution. I believe we have the right cut off his head. If I recall, there were Jews and Christians who turned away from Islam after embracing it during the Prophet's time. They were all killed.

Originally Posted by Kamenrider Agito

you need to have an imam to teach you how to understands the Quran...

why the need to kill?

if you think that Allah need your help to kill them...than you think that Allah is weak??

NOO...

You get the meaning wrong...

to fight only when people fight you without justified reason...

to kill only when your relatives are being killed...(but if you forgive them, that will be the best deeds you ever done)

I must say that you dont really believe Allah very much...you believe in yourself and what your lust told you...

did Muhammad SAW tells his ummah that he wanted the kaffirs to be beheaded without reason??

[Kamenrider Agito]

Waalaikumsalam...

Ouch! That's a harsh reply you gave me there.

sorry...that is just me...forgive this poor soul...

First of all, I don't need an imam to teach me the Quran.

no...you need to...because our mind is not that pure and we tend to watch a lot of fitnah and maksiat all our life whether we want to or not...don't tell me your country really exercised Islamic faith system...

Second, I firmly stand by the post I made earlier. These infidels collide with apostates to publish anti-islamic literature to stir up prejudice among non-muslims.

you read the Quran...it did say a lot about them making fun of our belief...you know what Allah had said to Muhammad right?
leave them and forgive them...

People like Salman Rushdie, Eyaan Hirsi Ali, Tariq Ali, etc. are renegades who are spreading mischief with their works. Allah has told us to kill apostates ONLY if they spread mischief.

mischief in that context means - hurting you and endangering the life you live and stopping you from practising your Islamic faith...

Yet, they are living among Muslims today, in the West. For the others, they don't want to engage in debate at all.

from what I understand...you are so fond of debating with them...for what?
Allah did not ask you to do a debate or questioning their believe...Muhammad was sent as a guide and he is not allowed to govern of forced this people to believe what Muslim believe.
you have to understand the Quran's essence...read it through and you will get it...

For instance, Sam Shamoun will come up with more and more with idiotic drivel about Islam even if you debunk his claims.

yeah...what I see is muslims here will feel great if they debunk kaffirs claims...what if they claimed it as true...like what Huxley is claiming...??
I have to agree with him...there is no free will in Islam...in a certain context...
we do everything in the name of Allah...we did not come here to glorify Islam in the eye of the kaffirs...it would never happen, Allah had decided for them to ignore the sign...which is in a mortal perspective...is their free will...we have to pity them...not wage a war against them...my question...will you be contend going to heaven and leave this kaffirs to rot in hell? when in fact you cannot even stand to see violence and intolerance being done to you?
we serve peace without even looking at how they look, and how they speak...this is what I believe...

Clearly, this is mental persecution. I believe we have the right cut off his head. If I recall, there were Jews and Christians who turned away from Islam after embracing it during the Prophet's time. They were all killed.

you believe wrong...
Allah can do it alone if He wills it...He doesnt need you...think about it...maybe this kaffirs were meant to live because Allah wanted to test you...?? and your willingness to obey Islam as a whole...don't tell me that Allah asked Muslim to kill EVERY infidel in this world...than for sure they didnt serve the purpose...that is to belittle Islam and its teachings...we leave them be...okay?

[Mr Burns]

Originally Posted by DoctorMaybe

First of all, I don't need an imam to teach me the Quran.

That's the fighting spirit!

Originally Posted by DoctorMaybe

I believe we have the right cut off his head. If I recall, there were Jews and Christians who turned away from Islam after embracing it during the Prophet's time. They were all killed.

Here's a thought - why don't you go out in the streets now and fight the infidels? Why waste time? There's so much cleaning up that you need to do, right NOW! My head is waiting for you!

[Kamenrider Agito]

That's the fighting spirit!

yeah!! go go power rangers!!

Here's a thought - why don't you go out in the streets now and fight the infidels? Why waste time? There's so much cleaning up that you need to do, right NOW! My head is waiting for you!

yeah, action talks LOUDER than word alone...aint it mr burns??