Damn persecutors

[DoctorMaybe]

Is it justifiable to behead infidels like Ali Sina, Sam Shamoun, Daneil Pipes,etc?

Should we Muslims take revenge of the Crusades?

[Light-of-Mustafa]

Originally Posted by DoctorMaybe

Is it justifiable to behead infidels like Ali Sina, Sam Shamoun, Daneil Pipes,etc?

Should we Muslims take revenge of the Crusades?

Ask the Bible:

[size=14px]Behading and cutting to bits:[/size]

[size=14px]2 Samuel 4
10 when a man told me, 'Saul is dead,' and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!
11 How much more-when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed-should I not now demand his blood from your hand and rid the earth of you!"
12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner's tomb at Hebron.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."[/size]

(see more chopping up verses below in the words of Jesus)


[size=14px]Blasphemy:[/size]

[size=14px]Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. [Leviticus 24:14]

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death. [Leviticus 24:16][/size] (Blasphemy was also defined as uttering the name of Jehovah while cursing.)


[size=14px]Adultery:[/size]

[size=14px]Leviticus 20:10 states: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.[/size] (This is repeated in Deuteronomy 22:22)


[size=14px]Qisas (eye for eye, life for life etc.):[/size]

[size=14px]Exodus 21
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Leviticus 24
19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.[/size]


[size=14px]Disobedient to Authorities:[/size]

Cursing parents:

[size=14px]Exodus 21:17 states: And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.[/size] See also Leviticus 20:9. The exact meaning of the key Hebrew word is ambiguous; it might mean, in English, to curse or blaspheme, or to degrade or shame.

Abusing one's parents:

[size=14px]Exodus 21:15 states: And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.[/size]

Ignoring the decision of a priest or judge:

[size=14px]Deuteronomy 17:12 states: And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die....[/size]


[size=14px]Leaving the religion (apostacy):[/size]

[size=14px]"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." [Deuteronomy 13:6-11]

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." [Deuteronomy 13:12-19]

"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die." [Deuteronomy 17:3-5]

"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman." [2 Chronicles 15:13][/size]

etc.
etc.


[size=18px]New Testament Teaching:[/size]

[size=14px]"And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment, and buy one." [Luke 22:35-36]

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves; be ye, therefore, as wise as serpents, (?) and as harmless as doves." [Matthew 10:16]

"But those mine enemies, who would not that I should REIGN over them, bring them hither, and SLAY them before me." [Luke 19:27]

"Think NOT that I am come to send PEACE on earth: I came NOT to send PEACE, but a SWORD." [Matthew 10:34]

"I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Suppose ye that I am come to give PEACE on earth? I tell you, NAY; but rather DIVISION." [Luke 12:49,51-53]

"I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Suppose ye that I am come to give PEACE on earth? I tell you, NAY; but rather DIVISION: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." [Luke 12:49,51-53]

"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." [Luke 14:26][/size]


[size=14px]"Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ´Honor your father and mother´ and ´Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death´." [Matt 15:3-4]

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. {29} And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. {30} And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [Matthew 5:28-30]

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ´Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.´ But I tell you … anyone who says, `You fool!´ will be in danger of the fire of hell." [Matt 5:21-22]

"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." [Matt 18:6]

"Put your sword back in its place, Jesus said to him, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." [Matt 26:52]

"The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him … He will cut him to pieces." [Luke 12:42-48]

"But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. ´This is the heir,´ they said. ´Let´s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.´ So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyards to others." [Luke 20:14-16]

"We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." [Luke 23:41]

"Do you refuse to speak to me? Pilate said. Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you? Jesus answered, You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above." [John 19:10-11]

"If, however, I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die." [Acts 25:11][/size]


All these teachings are NOT TO BE BROKEN TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY:

[size=14px]"Think NOT that I am come to DESTROY the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to DESTROY, but to FULFILL."
"For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED."
"WHOSOEVER therefore shall BREAK ONE of these least commandments, and shall TEACH MEN TO DO SO, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven."
"For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." [Matthew 5:17-20][/size]

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quote="Light-of-Mustafa"]

Ask the Bible:

[size=14px]Behading and cutting to bits:[/size]

[size=14px]2 Samuel 4
10 when a man told me, 'Saul is dead,' and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!
11 How much more-when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed-should I not now demand his blood from your hand and rid the earth of you!"
12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner's tomb at Hebron.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."[/size]

(see more chopping up verses below in the words of Jesus)


[size=14px]Blasphemy:[/size]

[size=14px]Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. [Leviticus 24:14]

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death. [Leviticus 24:16][/size] (Blasphemy was also defined as uttering the name of Jehovah while cursing.)


[size=14px]Adultery:[/size]

[size=14px]Leviticus 20:10 states: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.[/size] (This is repeated in Deuteronomy 22:22)


[size=14px]Qisas (eye for eye, life for life etc.):[/size]

[size=14px]Exodus 21
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Leviticus 24
19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.[/size]


[size=14px]Disobedient to Authorities:[/size]

Cursing parents:

[size=14px]Exodus 21:17 states: And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.[/size] See also Leviticus 20:9. The exact meaning of the key Hebrew word is ambiguous; it might mean, in English, to curse or blaspheme, or to degrade or shame.

Abusing one's parents:

[size=14px]Exodus 21:15 states: And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.[/size]

Ignoring the decision of a priest or judge:

[size=14px]Deuteronomy 17:12 states: And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die....[/size]


[size=14px]Leaving the religion (apostacy):[/size]

[size=14px]"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." [Deuteronomy 13:6-11]

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." [Deuteronomy 13:12-19]

"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die." [Deuteronomy 17:3-5]

"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman." [2 Chronicles 15:13][/size]

etc.
etc.


[size=18px]New Testament Teaching:[/size]

[size=14px]"And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment, and buy one." [Luke 22:35-36]

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves; be ye, therefore, as wise as serpents, (?) and as harmless as doves." [Matthew 10:16]

"But those mine enemies, who would not that I should REIGN over them, bring them hither, and SLAY them before me." [Luke 19:27]

"Think NOT that I am come to send PEACE on earth: I came NOT to send PEACE, but a SWORD." [Matthew 10:34]

"I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Suppose ye that I am come to give PEACE on earth? I tell you, NAY; but rather DIVISION." [Luke 12:49,51-53]

"I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Suppose ye that I am come to give PEACE on earth? I tell you, NAY; but rather DIVISION: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." [Luke 12:49,51-53]

"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." [Luke 14:26][/size]


[size=14px]"Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ´Honor your father and mother´ and ´Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death´." [Matt 15:3-4]

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. {29} And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. {30} And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [Matthew 5:28-30]

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ´Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.´ But I tell you … anyone who says, `You fool!´ will be in danger of the fire of hell." [Matt 5:21-22]

"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." [Matt 18:6]

"Put your sword back in its place, Jesus said to him, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." [Matt 26:52]

"The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him … He will cut him to pieces." [Luke 12:42-48]

"But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. ´This is the heir,´ they said. ´Let´s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.´ So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyards to others." [Luke 20:14-16]

"We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." [Luke 23:41]

"Do you refuse to speak to me? Pilate said. Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you? Jesus answered, You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above." [John 19:10-11]

"If, however, I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die." [Acts 25:11][/size]


All these teachings are NOT TO BE BROKEN TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY:

[size=14px]"Think NOT that I am come to DESTROY the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to DESTROY, but to FULFILL."
"For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED."
"WHOSOEVER therefore shall BREAK ONE of these least commandments, and shall TEACH MEN TO DO SO, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven."
"For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." [Matthew 5:17-20][/size]

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Take your time, adjust your mouse and point your cursur on the link below.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/execu...ing/index.html

I do not need any bible verse, or whatever verse you qoute from be it from the hindu scriptures, budhist scritures, etc etc.

Just see for yourself if you dare to even look, the BARBARIC nature of islam at its best! All these are the works of your muhammed, making muslims the worst barbarians on earth.

Thats islam!

[Light-of-Mustafa]

Originally Posted by majid

Take your time, adjust your mouse and point your cursur on the link below.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/execu...ing/index.html

I do not need any bible verse, or whatever verse you qoute from be it from the hindu scriptures, budhist scritures, etc etc.

Just see for yourself if you dare to even look, the BARBARIC nature of islam at its best! All these are the works of your muhammed, making muslims the worst barbarians on earth.

Thats islam!

Good to see they are practicing Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism as quoted above.

Originally Posted by Light-of-Mustafa

Good to see they are practicing Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism as quoted above.

Cant believe your eyes cant you?

Who else in the world would whine " allahuakhbar" while slicing their heads off.. who? you tell me..

You are choking because you cant believe how BARBARIC your so called" peaceful" islam is.

What a shame.

[Light-of-Mustafa]

Originally Posted by majid

Cant believe your eyes cant you?

Actually I can. This is nothing new. Seen it a million times. These tactics of the Americans are so common and obvious now.

Who else in the world would whine " allahuakhbar" while slicing their heads off.. who? you tell me..

let me guess.. people like All Sinner, Sam Shamoun, Daneil Pipes... i.e. the enemies of Islam?? Am I right?

You are choking because you cant believe how BARBARIC your so called" peaceful" islam is.

What a shame.

I am laughing my head off because this is the best you can do to provide evidence of how barabric Islam is!! :lol:

Originally Posted by Light-of-Mustafa

Actually I can. This is nothing new. Seen it a million times. These tactics of the Americans are so common and obvious now.

let me guess.. people like All Sinner, Sam Shamoun, Daneil Pipes... i.e. the enemies of Islam?? Am I right?

I am laughing my head off because this is the best you can do to provide evidence of how barabric Islam is!! :lol:

Ali Sina, and Daniel Pipes are the enemies of Christians, too.

Deny and deny and deny, prove to me then?.. Are you using your brains your allah gave you? Oh, you LIED again, as what your muhammed does best.. no wonder, muslims of the same phantat ram their phantats together.

let me guess.. people like All Sinner, Sam Shamoun, Daneil Pipes... i.e. the enemies of Islam?? Am I right?

Wrong, you are ABSOLUTELY wrong. Let me give you those names that does all these whinings eg. prophet muhammed saw, Yourself, Khaledy( dumb muslim puppet). How stupid can you be hum chat!!!

I am laughing my head off because this is the best you can do to provide evidence of how barabric Islam is!! :lol:

Keep on laughing then, keep on laughing at your mom and dad's funeral, your son's funeral as well.. jsut keep on laughing.

If you cant even convince me islam is peaceful, then you failed. Your allah failed you.

Simple enough.

[THHuxley]

Originally Posted by DoctorMaybe

Is it justifiable to behead infidels like Ali Sina, Sam Shamoun, Daneil Pipes,etc?

Should we Muslims take revenge of the Crusades?

Why would you need to take revenge for a war you won?

[THHuxley]

Originally Posted by Light-of-Mustafa

Ask the Bible:

Why should the Bible have any authority on the issue?